Hi, all.
I did a couple of websites in FrontPage a while back, but I've since abandoned web design. I was thinking of picking it up again, and that stirred up a question or two.
I have Adobe GoLive! with my CS2 package. Is this a good program to use?
Also, I have what I think is good vision for web design, but I'm lost on some of the finer points of laying out the site. What are some good educational sites that can help me fill in the gaps?
Lastly, when you guys sell a site, do you upkeep it yourselves or turn over the files? If you just turn it over, how are the clients able to update if they don't have your program? Er, I think you know what I'm saying...
Web Designing Questions
Hi, all.
I did a couple of websites in FrontPage a while back, but I've since abandoned web design....
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x4lov
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 07:50 PM
One of the best's http://www.w3schools.com/
Try make websites with xhtml+css, frontpage sucks, you can use it to program xhtml+css but try the notepad2 http://www.flos-free...h/notepad2.html
Try make websites with xhtml+css, frontpage sucks, you can use it to program xhtml+css but try the notepad2 http://www.flos-free...h/notepad2.html
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tapir
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 09:41 PM
quick tip: since youre already a graphics designer it shouldn't be very hard for you to make a website. just design wathever you want in photoshop with extensive use of layers and guides. Then slice the pieces as you like. Run golive and start making tables (even nested tables) without borders, place the sliced images as backgorund images (use only if it's needed, or else you will end up with tons of bytes. i.e: using a plain color backgorund image is unnecessary:)). For the text use css.
I hope it helps
I hope it helps
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sofy60
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:28 PM
i would stick with frontpage
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onesummer
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 07:58 PM
I think GoLive got dropped? I don't think it's in CS3. Adobe's sticking with Dreamweaver and Fireworks. Might want to check out the new fireworks CS3. I read it's supposed to be "easy" to take your graphics and get them into a usable website ("Rapid Prototyping). http://www.adobe.com...works/features/
As for me, I use Dreamweaver,but not as a wysiwyg editor; I like just like how its got stuff setup for coding and such. I'm always in code view. For .NET applications though, I tend to just use Visual Studio .NET. If you're truly serious about getting back into web design, there's plenty of good resources out there. For starters:
http://www.kirupa.com - tutorials
http://www.alistapart.com - css, web standards, accessibility articles
http://www.cssmania.com - great inspiration.
hope this helps.
As for me, I use Dreamweaver,but not as a wysiwyg editor; I like just like how its got stuff setup for coding and such. I'm always in code view. For .NET applications though, I tend to just use Visual Studio .NET. If you're truly serious about getting back into web design, there's plenty of good resources out there. For starters:
http://www.kirupa.com - tutorials
http://www.alistapart.com - css, web standards, accessibility articles
http://www.cssmania.com - great inspiration.
hope this helps.
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#7
gl3nnx
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 01:38 PM
hi dude, forget about frontpage, just stick with your Adobe Golive, if you have the latest version of Dreamweaver, use Dreamweaver. Adobe Golive is a very nice html editor.. but it eats a lot of pC memory.
In my experience, i try to code my clients website using php pages, so everytime the clients needs a site revision they will ask my services again.
Do not give the sources code of your graphics PSD, AI, etc. files to your clients unless they are ask for it.
http://www.w3schools.com/ is my favorite web technology tutorial site.
In my experience, i try to code my clients website using php pages, so everytime the clients needs a site revision they will ask my services again.
Do not give the sources code of your graphics PSD, AI, etc. files to your clients unless they are ask for it.
http://www.w3schools.com/ is my favorite web technology tutorial site.
Hi, all.
I did a couple of websites in FrontPage a while back, but I've since abandoned web design. I was thinking of picking it up again, and that stirred up a question or two.
I have Adobe GoLive! with my CS2 package. Is this a good program to use?
Also, I have what I think is good vision for web design, but I'm lost on some of the finer points of laying out the site. What are some good educational sites that can help me fill in the gaps?
Lastly, when you guys sell a site, do you upkeep it yourselves or turn over the files? If you just turn it over, how are the clients able to update if they don't have your program? Er, I think you know what I'm saying...
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PDL
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:36 AM
Adobe GoLive is a good and extensive editor, however dreamweaver is just a notch better as an markup editor. Like someone else stated Adobe GoLive has reached its end with the new Adobe Creative Suite 3. Fireworks isnt an HTML editor.
But you can get far with Adobe GoLive for sure - but for the love of god please dont layout with tables!
My best advice - learn basic HTML and most importantly CSS layout techniques. Not even the best WYSIWYG editor can beat good solid background knowledge.
As for Frontpage.. after MS Word, perhaps one of the worst HTML editors ever made. The markup is terrible.
But you can get far with Adobe GoLive for sure - but for the love of god please dont layout with tables!
My best advice - learn basic HTML and most importantly CSS layout techniques. Not even the best WYSIWYG editor can beat good solid background knowledge.
As for Frontpage.. after MS Word, perhaps one of the worst HTML editors ever made. The markup is terrible.
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apresico
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 04:27 PM
I would also suggest learning html and advanced html too. I would specifically try to learn advanced tables because they really help in keeping the same look in all browsers and work in older versions of browsers. Using DIV to position can be very annoying to get right and its easy to mess up. Using this validator http://validator.w3.org/ will help you in fixing any errors that you may have in your coding. This will also help in maintaining the look in all browser and screen resolutions.
Dreamweaver is also a nifty tool, but I don't use it myself. Knowing the code makes it a lot easier. PHP is something a lot of clients want, and it provides great functions for the sites.
I agree with Tapir as well, being a graphic designer will help you greatly in web design because you can create a awesome looking web site with the tools for graphic design. Photoshop and illustrator together can create some excellent effects. But always remember that graphic design and web design are still 2 different things. I notice that some graphic designers just depend on their graphics skills, and don't pay enough attention to functionally.
Dreamweaver is also a nifty tool, but I don't use it myself. Knowing the code makes it a lot easier. PHP is something a lot of clients want, and it provides great functions for the sites.
I agree with Tapir as well, being a graphic designer will help you greatly in web design because you can create a awesome looking web site with the tools for graphic design. Photoshop and illustrator together can create some excellent effects. But always remember that graphic design and web design are still 2 different things. I notice that some graphic designers just depend on their graphics skills, and don't pay enough attention to functionally.
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jesse101
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 05:54 PM
When you turn over files it is up to them to do the upkeep. However, you should include in your proposal, how much you would charge to update the website for them. That way they keep coming back to you and you. You can charge hourly, monthly, etc.
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